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In the Days of Victorio; Recollections of a Warm Springs Apache Paperback – November 1, 1972

by Eve Ball (Author), James Kaywaykla (Author)
4.8 4.8 out of 5 stars 91 ratings
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"Chief Victorio of the Warm Springs Apache has recounted the turbulent life of his people between 1876 and 1886. This eyewitness account . . . recalls not only the hunger, pursuit, and strife of those years, but also the thoughts, feelings, and culture of the hunted tribe. Recommended as general reading."—Library Journal

"This volume contains a great deal of interesting information."—Journal of the West

"The Apache point of view [is] presented with great clarity."—Books of the Southwest

"A valuable addition to the southwestern frontier shelf and long will be drawn upon and used."—Journal of Arizona History

"A genuine contribution to the story of the Apache wars, and a very readable book as well."—Westerners Brand Book

"Shining through every page is the unquenchable spirit that was the Apache. Inured, indeed trained, to suffering, Apaches stood strong beside Victorio, Nana, and finally Geronimo in a vain attempt to maintain those things they held more dear than life itself—freedom, homeland, dignity as human beings. A warm and vital people, the Apaches had, and have, a great deal to offer."—Arizona and the West 
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    University of Arizona Press
  4. Publication date
    November 1, 1972
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    6 x 0.8 x 9 inches
  6. ISBN-10
    0816504016
  7. ISBN-13
    978-0816504015
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"Chief Victorio of the Warm Springs Apache, has recounted the turbulent life of his people between 1876 and 1886. This eyewitness account . . . recalls not only the hunger, pursuit, and strife of those years, but also the thoughts, feelings, and culture of the hunted tribe. Recommended as general reading." --"Library Journal"
"This volume contains a great deal of interesting information." --"Journal of the West"
"The Apache point of view presented with great clarity." --"Books of the Southwest"
"A valuable addition to the southwestern frontier shelf and long will be drawn upon and used." --"Journal of Arizona History"

About the Author

Eve Ball has lived in the Ruidoso highlands of New Mexico, close to the Mescalero Reservation. Geography made her neighbor to the Apaches; sympathy and liking made her their friend; sensitivity to their part in the historic Southwestern drama made her their historian—able to see experience through their eyes, just as she used the lends of a pioneer Lincoln County woman to view and relate the saga of Ma’am Jones of the Pecos. She also edited and annotated the colorful Lily Klasner autobiography My Girlhood Among Outlaws.

James Kaywaykla lived longer to recount Apache history than any of his fellow tribesmen. In his later years, he often stayed in the author’s home to unwind more continuously the thread of narrative. On the warpath in the 1880s with his chieftain elders, shipped with his people to Florida in 1886, Kaywaykla later was a member of a committee that selected Mescalero as the home of the Chiricahuas and the Warm Springs.
 

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  • Publisher ‏ : ‎ University of Arizona Press; (1st,1970); Second Printing edition (November 1, 1972)
  • Language ‏ : ‎ English
  • Paperback ‏ : ‎ 222 pages
  • ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 0816504016
  • ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-0816504015
  • Item Weight ‏ : ‎ 10.4 ounces
  • Dimensions ‏ : ‎ 6 x 0.8 x 9 inches
  • Customer Reviews:
    4.8 4.8 out of 5 stars 91 ratings

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Jerry Gribble
5.0 out of 5 stars The Apache side, finally!
Reviewed in the United States on October 29, 2023
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Eve Ball has done a wonderful work of preserving the memories of great Apaches. Men who as boys rode with Victorio and his warrior sister Lozen, Nana, Juh and his brother in law Geronimo among others. You see the world through their eyes. America has produced no finer fighting men and women. I had never heard of Ussen (God) and their great faith and spirituality. Her books give insight into the lives and thinking of a great people.
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Nik
5.0 out of 5 stars American Indian War from Apache POV - forget "Walking Dead," see how real people lived on the run&under constant fear of attack
Reviewed in the United States on February 6, 2016
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I heard about this author on Dan Carlin's Hardcore History Podcast. Eve Ball is one of the few who has been able to capture and share the point of view of the Apache during one of America's least known wars. The book isn't heavily loaded with propaganda or anything like that, but is about how several Apache lived their lives. One of the segments that made the largest impact on me was hearing about how children were trained to keep a food pouch tied to them while they slept and if they were attacked at night they grabbed the pouch and their blanket and headed to a rendevaous point to wait for their guardians; parents often fought the invaders and defended the escape routes. Apocalypse stories and movies are incredibly popular right now, they explore how we'd change if things weren't as safe and protected. Well, this story shares not what it might be like, but what it was actually like for a real group of people.
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naturalist_feelings
5.0 out of 5 stars gripping oral history of tragic events
Reviewed in the United States on February 23, 2022
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first hard stories from the apache point of view relating how the apaches themselves experienced and thought about the dramatic events of war with the US & mexican militaries. a priceless historical document & fascinating read anyone interested in that dark chapter of southwest history definitely shouldn't miss.
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Dale P. Armstrong
4.0 out of 5 stars Four Stars
Reviewed in the United States on October 7, 2015
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Great Read!
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Wilderness Guy
5.0 out of 5 stars Definitely worth the read to get the other side of history
Reviewed in the United States on May 23, 2010
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Ball writes her questions and gives the response of the Apache answerer. In many cases, the answerer was telling their own personal observations because they were actually there, and these were very vivid descriptions of the events that happened. Such details of daily survival are very enlightening, giving insights into Apache beliefs and traditions, as well as their motivations. Most of the recollections are those of Kaywaykla, grandson of Nana, and gives details about Nana, Kaytennae, Geronimo, Juh, Chihuahua, Lozen, and other Apaches, in addition to Victorio. Occasionally Ball includes recollections of other Apaches that supported those of Kaywaykla.

Ball also includes footnotes referring the reader to perspectives of various white observers, especially where historical records differ from the Apache side. My only complaint is where these footnotes contained more than mere book, author, or page references and were included at the back of the book. I wish that the additional verbiage had been included at the bottom of the page so that my reading wasn't disrupted by going to the back of the book to see what the reference was about.
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Earnest Sludge
5.0 out of 5 stars Stunning
Reviewed in the United States on December 16, 2015
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Best book I ever read about the Indian experience. Eve Ball's, "Indeh", is good too, but two thirds of that book are devoted to the grueling imprisonment and immiseration of the Apache after they were pacified. Thankfully, this book glosses over that.

This book is so dense and packed with drama and incident it was slow to read. The terrible feeling of being hunted was hard to bear. I took every killing and massacre personally. I identify with the Apache so much. I have, ever since I read a book about Geronimo when I was 12. His real name was Goyahkla, by the way. Indians don't give their children Spanish names.

Eve Ball is such a wonderful person. She took such extraordinary and painstaking care to compile these accounts and to cross check them with other sources.
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paul
5.0 out of 5 stars MUST READ!!
Reviewed in the United States on January 29, 2019
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Another must read book. EXCELLENT. Hard to put down. History from the source. History from someone that was there. Its so hard to find good stuff these days. Its usually a bunch of BS by some know it all non Indian collage guy. JUST EXCELLENT!!!!
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Lonnie E. Underhill
5.0 out of 5 stars This book resulted from Eve Ball happening to live in ...
Reviewed in the United States on March 18, 2015
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This book resulted from Eve Ball happening to live in a part of the world and befriending Apaches who had known the old-time warriors, participants in the so-called Indian wars of the Southwest in the final years of the nineteenth century. You won't see this type of book again any time soon.
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Amazon Customer
5.0 out of 5 stars An important historical document
Reviewed in Canada on May 8, 2024
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These were American legends, and here you get it from the horse's mouth. The events related here are important for understanding aspects of what America was, is, and even where its going.
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G. Dodds
5.0 out of 5 stars Well worth reading
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 26, 2016
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In this book James Kaywaykla (who died in 1963) vividly recalls his childhood days as a Warm Springs Apache, recounting events that were deeply etched into his memory. Among other things, he mentions his recollections of such renowned figures in Apache history as Victorio and Nana (he knew Geronimo, a Bedonkohe Apache, less well), and paints a heartwarming picture of his own loving family and its experiences on the warpath and in captivity. James also makes clear that although his people were on very friendly terms with the Chiricahau Apaches (with whom they sometimes fought side-by-side) the Warm Springs Apaches were a separate band, albeit of course related. They are often loosely termed by other writers as Chiricahua, as is also true of the Bedonkohe and Nednai Apaches.
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Kathy Reeve
5.0 out of 5 stars Victorio we should learn from what he tried to achieve
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on May 18, 2017
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This book by eve ball tells the story of victorio and his people so well he tried so hard for a better life for the apache I hope one day his vision will come true
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richard 1953
5.0 out of 5 stars Book review
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on February 6, 2013
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Arrived quickly and i find it a fascinating read.These people were desperately trying to protect their families and way of life. the apaches come across as a loyal people.
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