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Frank H. Love, Choctaw
No. 46.
Frank H. Love Et Al., One-Half Choctaw
Blood.
Commission No. M. C. R., 6323.
Willis Love, father of these children,
accompanied by his son Frank H. Love, saw
the members of the select committee of the
House of Representatives when that committee
was at Sulphur, in August 1910, and
presented the case of his children. The
members of that committee will doubtless
remember Frank H. Love, who strongly
resembled a full blood. Judge Pollock, for
the department, took evidence in this case
December 15, 1910, a record of which is
attached.
Record
October 1. 1892. Application was made to
the Commission to the Five Civilized Tribes,
at Muskogee, for the enrollment of Frank H.
Love, Fannie Love, Sarah Love, and Ruth
Love, minors; and Hattie Brown, Leo Brown.
Willis Love, father of the above named,
testified that he married their mother,
Lorene Frazier, a full blood Choctaw woman,
in Texas; that Lorenza Frazier was the
daughter of John Frazier; that she was born
in Blue County, Choctaw Nation, but that
when she was quite young a man by the name
of Houston "took her to raise"; that after
they were married they returned to the
Choctaw Nation, and located in the town of
Durant; that his wife had a brother Simon
Frazier and a sister Sallie Frazier; that
Sallie Frazier was dead and that he did not
know anything about the brother; that his
wife died in Ottoway, Ill., January 3, 1897.
He further states that after living six
years in Durant, he moved his family to
Indiana, and then to Illinois, and that he
had just returned to Durant. That when he
left Illinois to return to Durant he knew
nothing of the division of the tribal
property, or the existence of the Commission
to the Five Civilized Tribes, but was
returning because for the past 10 years his
children, who were growing up, "were not
appreciated" by the whites, and he thought
they would be better off here. He also
states that he had continued to own property
in the Choctaw Nation during his absence in
Illinois.
Affidavits of J. G. Wright. Mrs. Elizabeth
Wright, Francis Dier, E. E. Robinson, and
Jesse Gardner were offered and received by
the commission.
These affidavits do not now appear in the
record, but the record does show that said
affidavits were forwarded the department.
From the decision in the case it is clear
that by some of said affidavits it was
attempted to be shown that the mother of
Lorena Frazier was Betsy (or Ishtiliahona).
There was also filed a certified copy of the
marriage license of W. Love and Lorena
Frazier.
At the conclusion of the hearing the
commission entered the following of record:
The children of the applicant have the
physical appearance and characteristics of
mixed ancestry, composed of white and Indian
blood, which their father, who makes this
application says is Choctaw blood which they
derive from his wife, Lorena Love. Their
general appearance, hair, color of their
eyes and complexion would indicate the
quantity of Choctaw blood which he claims
they possess. The hair of all the children
is black and straight, and coarse; eyes
black, complexion very much darker than the
complexion of a full-blood white; in fact
the complexion Indicates an equal proportion
of white and Indian blood.
March 4, 1904. Decision of the commission
refusing to enroll applicants either as
citizens by blood or as Mississippi
Choctaws. In the opinion of the commission
it is stated-
It appears from the evidence that the
ancestors from whom applicants claim were
enrolled upon the tribal rolls of the
Choctaw Nation and received the annuity as
such citizens prior to their death. In 1868
and 1870. respectively: but no such rolls
are in the possession of the commission and
no record evidence is submitted by the
applicants in verification of the claim of
enrollment so specified.
Tribal Enrollment Of
Uncle
On the 1874 census roll now in the office
of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized
Tribes, Blue County, appears the name of
Simon Frazier opposite No. 176 and on the
1885 Choctaw census roll of Jacksfork County
appears the name of Simon Frazier opposite
No. 344 and 37 years of age.
On the 1896 Choctaw census roll of Jacksfork
County appears the name of Simon Frazier
opposite No. as 47 years of age.
On the final rolls of the Choctaw Nation
appears the name of Simon Frazier. The
commission field card record of this person
shows that he is on the 1896 tribal roll for
Jacksfork County and that he is the son of
John Frazier and Emishtona, both full blood.
August 10, 1904. Action of commission
approved by the department.
Statement By Counsel
Counsel for claimants submit that the
birth of these children in the Choctaw
Nation of a full-blood Choctaw mother and
the record evidence of the enrollment of
their mother's brother makes their claim to
enrollment so strong as to preclude
opposition from either tribal or national'
authorities.
Those entitled to enrollment are: Frank H.
Love, Fannie Love, Sarah Love, Ruth Love,
Hattie Brown, Leo Brown (six in all).
Respectfully submitted,
Ballinger & Lee
Department Ok The Interior
Muskogee, Okla., December 15, 1910
In the matter of the application for the
enrollment of Frank H. Love et al. as
Choctaws by blood. (See M. C. R. 6323.)
Proceedings had at Durant, Okla., November
14, 1910, before W. C. Pollock, Assistant
Attorney, Interior Department.
Appearances: Ballinger & Lee, by Albert J.
Lee, attorneys for claimants. Rodgers &
Clapp, by George D. Rodgers, attorneys for
the Chickasaw Nation.
Willis Love, being duly sworn and examined
as a witness, testified as follows: By Mr.
Lee:
Q. State your full name, please.-
A. Willis Love.
Q. What is your post-office address?-
A. Durant, Okla.
Q. Are you the father of Frank H., Fannie,
Sarah. Ruth Love, and Hattie Brown?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you appear for these children before
the Commission to the Five Civilized Tribes
at Muskogee?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. At the time you so appeared did you file
with the commission any record evidence of
your marriage with your wife?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What did you file?-
A. Well, I didn't file it at that time, but
I did afterwards; about a month afterwards I
filed an affidavit from the minister that
married us, and sent the certificate of
marriage to Muskogee.
Q. Did you mall that to Tams Bixby?-
A. No, sir; delivered to him in person at
Muskogee.
Q. Who delivered it?-
A. J. O. Pool.
Q. Was he your attorney?-
A. He was at that time; yes, sir.
Q. Did you accompany him at that time?-
A. No; I think not.
Q. How do you know, then, that he filed it?-
A. Well, I am satisfied that he did, because
he was here and took this other evidence,
and It all went there together. I had lived
at Durant and we came here to get the
evidence from these people that knew me. Mr.
Gardner here and Mrs. Duer and some fourteen
or fifteen here that knew me and my wife.
Q. The record in the office of the
commission shows that application was made
for Frank H. Love, Fannie Love, Sarah Love,
Ruth Love, Hattie Brown, and a son of Hattie
Brown, Leo Brown. Now are there any other
children of Hattie Brown?-
A. Application put in afterwards for a Carl
Brown.
Q. Is he a son of Hattie Brown?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And he's your grandson?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you remember the date that application
was sent to the commission?-
A. That was in-in the fall-October or
November of 1902.
Q. Your answer is that it was in the fall of
1902?-
A. Yes, sir; just before Christmas in 1902.
Q. Are there any other children or
grandchildren of yours that should be In
this record that are not?-
A. No; I think the other grandchildren are
too young. There are two other
grandchildren, but they are too young.
Q. Any of them living March 4, 1900, four
years ago?-
A. I don't know what her age is; no. I don't
think so.
Q. Mr. Love, do you know anything about who
raised your wife?-
A. Frank Houston and his wife.
Q. Where do they live?-
A. They lived at Terrell, Tex., and lived at
Yarnaby.
Q. Who was guardian for your wife when she
was a child?-
A. Simeon Gardner, brother to Jesse.
Q. Where did he live?-
A. Here in Blue County; sheriff in Blue
County.
Q. Is Jesse Gardner living now?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Is Simeon Gardner living now?-
A. No, sir; he's dead.
Q. Do you know of any relatives that your
wife had in the Territory that are now
living?-
A. No; none living now that I know of,
except Mrs. Jefferson. She has an aunt here
in Blue.
Q. Aunt by blood?-
A. By blood.
Q. Are there any other relatives living
here? Dead or alive?-
A. Mrs. Jefferson has two sons living that
would be cousins.
Q. Any relatives dead now?-
A. A brother that's dead and a sister that's
dead.
Q. What are their names?-
A. Simeon Frazier and Sallie Frazier.
Q. Where did Simeon Frazier live?-
A. At Owl. He lived at Durant when we knew
him.
Q. Where did Sallie live?-
A. At Yarnaby; and this man, Dr. Wright,
raised her, and they moved from Yarnaby to
Terrell, Tex., and then she came back and
married a man at Stringtown.
Q. This man. Dr. Wright, you refer to the
gentleman sitting here, do you?- A. Yes,
sir.
Q. Mr. Love, where were your children born?-
A. Frank H. Love was born here in Durant;
Hattie Brown was born in Remington, Ind.;
and Fannie, Ruth, and Sarah were born in
Ottawa, Ill.
By Mr. Rodgers:
Q. Your wife's name was Lorena Frazier?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. When did you many her?-
A. Married her In 1881.
Q. Here in this county?-
A. I first married her at Terrell, Kauffman
County, Tex. That's where she was raised;
that is, she lived there when I was married.
Q. Is that where Frank Houston lived?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And he raised her from a child?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And you married her down there?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And did yon marry her again?-
A. Yes, sir; after we came to Durant; I was
married on the 24th day of May; we came here
about the 1st of June, and along the
following fall all white men that were
intermarried here were notified to get out,
and I went to Armstrong Academy and was
remarried under the Choctaw laws.
Q. The same year?-
A. Yes sir.
Q. That was 1883?-
A. 1881.
Q. How long did you live here with your wife
after that second marriage?- A. Until 1884
or 1885; I was here about three years after.
Q. Then where did you go?-
A. Remington, Ind.
Q. Frank was living with you then?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Took him with you?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How long did you live at Remington?-
A. A year and a half.
Q. Then where did you go?-
A. Ottawa, Ill.
Q. How long did you live there?-
A. About 12 years.
Q. Where did you go from Ottawa, Ill.?-
A. Durant.
Q. Do you know what the date was that you
left Ottawa, Ill.?-
A. We got to Muskogee on the 25th day of
September 1902, and had left about three
days before that. .
Q. Then you lived in Remington, Ind., and
Ottawa, Ill., during all this intervening
time?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And got back here September 25?-
A. September 25, 1902.
Q. Was your wife still living at that time?-
A. She died in Ottawa, Ill., in 1898.
Q. Was your wife's name ever placed on any
of the tribal rolls?-
A. I think she was.
Q. Do you know what rolls?-
A. She was schooled by the nation at
Bloomfield Academy in the Chickasaw Nation.
Q. When she was just a child?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know the date of her birth?-
A. No; but there is witnesses here I guess
can tell the exact date.
Q. But you don't know of her name being put
on any roll from the time she left here to
go to Texas?-
A. No, sir.
Q. Don't know of the names of any of your
children being placed on any tribal rolls,
do you?-
A. No, sir.
Q. Did they ever draw any annuities or money
as Indians?-
A. No, sir; all that annuity was drawn after
we left here.
Q. What time wus it you got back to
Muskogee?-
A. Twenty-fifth day of September, 1902.
Q. Did you go before the commission on that
day?-
A. The same day.
Q. That is the day you made the
application?-
A. Yes. sir.
Q. How much Indian blood do you claim your
wife had?-
A. Full blood; her mother was a Choctaw or
her father one. One was Choctaw and one was
Chickasaw; but I don't know which was which.
Witness excused.
Jesse J. Gardner, being duly sworn and
examined as a witness, testified as follows:
By Mr. Lee:
Q. State your name, please.-
A. Jesse J. Gardner.
Q. Where do you live, Mr. Gardner?-
A. Here at Durant.
Q. This is your post office?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How old are you, Mr. Gardner?-
A. I will be 60 years old the 20th of this
month.
Q. Are you a citizen of the Choctaw Nation?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. By blood?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What degree of blood are you?-
A. About three-quarters Indian.
Q. How long have you lived in the vicinity
of Durant?-
A. About fifty-eight years.
Q. Did you know Simeon Frazier?-
A. No, sir.
Q. You didn't know him?-
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you know Sallie Frazier?-
A. I knew a John Frazier.
Q. Did you know a Sallie Frazier?-
A. Sallie Frazier was John Frazier's wife.
Q. Well do you know Mr. Love here?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you know his wife?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Who was she?-
A. Frazier.
Q. Well now did she have any brothers and
sisters?-
A. Frazier?
Q. This man's wife. Did she have any
brothers or sisters?-
A. No, sir; not that I know of.
Q. Do you know who her mother and father
was?-
A. John Frazier, called Flish, Choctaw name.
Q. Well now did this man's wife have any
brothers or sisters?-
A. Not as I know of; I think that one died.
Q. What was her name?-
A. I can't think of it now.
Q. Do you know when the mother and father of
Mr. Love's wife died?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. About what year?-
A. Died during the war, but I have forgot
the date; I think about the close of the war
she died.
Q. About how old was Lorena at the time her
parents died?-
A. Very small.
Q. What became of her at that time do you
know?-A. No, sir; I don't.
Q. Yon don't know who took her?-
A. I heard some one took her but I never
learned who it was. My brother was guardian
of her at that time, taking care of the
estate.
Q. He was administrator wasn't be?-
A. No, guardian for her and her sister.
Q. Guardian for Lorena?-
A. Yes sir. The court records show that.
Q. What court records?-
A. Choctaw court records.
Q. What county?-
A. Blue Comity.*
Q. Did you name her sister a minute ago?-
A. I forgot the name.
Q. You have forgotten the name of Lorena's
sister?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You say you don't know of any uncles or
aunts that Lorena had?-
A. No sir; I don't know anything about that
John Frazier he came from the lower district
and moved up here before the war and of
course I don't know much about that.
Q. What relation was he to them?-
A. These girls' father.
Q. Lorena's father?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know anything about some man
taking Lorena to raise?-
A. I understood that.
Q. You don't know anything about that of
your own knowledge?-
A. No, sir.
Q. When did you last see Lorena?-
A. Little while before she left Durant.
Q. That was after she married Mr. Love and
Frank had been born?-
Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know anything about Lorena going
to Bloomfield school?-
A. I heard she did.
Q. When did you hear that?-
A. My brother told me that. He was her
guardian.
Q. Did you know anything about a Betsy
Frazier?-
A. No, sir; I don't know that.
Q. You wouldn't be able to state now whether
Sallie had a sister named Betsy?-
A. No, sir.
Q. You say you knew the name of one and
didn't know the name of the other?-
A. No, that's all I know.
Witness excused.
Larkin G. Wright, being duly sworn and
examined as a witness, testified as follows:
By Mr. Lee:
Q. Kindly state your full name. Doctor.-
A. Lnrkln G. Wright
Q. Where do you reside, Mr. Wright?-
A. Well, I am living just outside the
corporation, about half a mile north of
here.
Q. Durant is your post office?-
A. Yes. sir.
Q. How old are you?-
A. I will be 70 years old if I live to see
the 12th of next December.
Q. Are you a practicing physician?-
A. No, sir; not now. I haven't practiced for
many years.
Q. Did you know Lorena Love?-
A. Yes. sir.
Q. Where did you know her?-
A. Well, I knew her from the time that she
was taken away from Simeon Gardner until she
was a married woman. Now, I will tell you.
Simeon Gardner was, at the time that these
children were living, was sheriff of this
county, and they were placed in his hands by
the county with the little property that
they had left, and there were three
children, Simeon Frazier and Sallie and
Lorena. Lorena at that time was about 9
years of age and the other was 11, and Dixon
Durant that lived here at that time-I was
boarding his children at the Bloomfield
Academy at the time-and my wife had been
after me to find her a Choctaw girl. Simeon
Gardner lived on the place that his brother
now lives on east of town and I came to see
Simeon Gardner and got permission to take
the oldest one of these girls to raise; she
was then about 11 years old.
Q. Which was that?-
A. Sallie, I raised her; and the other one
was about 9 years of age; and my wife's
sister, Mrs. Houston, after we took Sallie,
concluded to take the other, and I got
permission from Simeon Gardner to take the
other one down-they were at that time I
believe, her husband and her, were at my
house at the time I got her and I brought
her there and they kept her in the country
here some years after that-two or three-and
then moved to Kauffman County, Tex., and
took this child with them and she was raised
down there.
Q. Do you know anything about her marriage
to her-to Mr. Love?-
A. Mr. Love was living with me at the time
he married, when he was 21 years old.
Q. Do you know what became of Simeon
Frazier?-
A. No sir; I do not. The boy had no home and
I don't think these boys in this country
raised up here-they were sorta wild and went
wherever they pleased, sand he came down and
stayed a while after I got these
children-came down and stopped there at Hock
Springs with a merchant and then left there
and I don't know what became of him
afterwards.
Q. What became of Lorena's sister Sallie?-
A. She married while she was yet living with
me; married a white man by the name of
Horine, and he moved back into this country
and she was thrown from a horse and died
from the effects of it after they bad been
married a year or so.
Q. What year was that?-
A. About '78.
Q. Do you know the name of the mother of
these three children?-
A. No, sir. And I want to tell you right now
these Indian people nearly all have two
names that they went by. She had an Indian
name that she went by among the Indians and
then an American name.
Q. Do you know either of those names?-
A. No sir; but I ought to have remembered. I
went to see the old preacher just a short
time before he died in regard to these
children and made inquiry along these lines
and he was the one that told me particularly
about the two names. He was the pastor of
the church to which she belonged and was
probably converted under his ministry. His
name was Calvin Robinson and I went to see
him and talked to him about these children,
but I have forgotten her name.
Q. Now, do you know the name of the father
of the three children that you have told
about?-
A. No, sir; they were both dead before I
knew anything about them.
Q. When you first knew them (the children)
they were in the hands of the county?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What county was that?-
A. Blue County.
Q. Blue County?-
A. Yes, sir.
Witness excused.
Jesse J. Gardner recalled, testified as
follows:
By Mr. Lee:
Q. Mr. Gardner, do you desire to correct any
statement you made in your examination a
moment ago?-
A. Yes. sir.
Q. What is it?-
A. The name Betsy: I called it Sallie; I
made a mistake. I remembered afterwards that
her name on the church roll was Betsy
Frazier, John Frazier's wife, and mother of
Lorena.
Q. Where did you find that?-
A. On the church book.
Q. Do you remember any Indian name that she
had?-
A. No.
Q. What would be the Indian name for Betsy?-
A. I forgot it now.
Q. You don't know what the Indians would
call Betsy?-
A. No, sir.
Q. Do you know the Indian name of the father
of these children?-
A. Flish.
Witness excused.
Nancy Elizabeth Wright, being duly sworn
and examined as a witness, testified as
follows:
By Mr. Lee:
Q. State your name.-
A. Nancy Elizabeth Wright.
Q. Where do you reside?-
A. Durant.
Q. Who is your husband, Mrs. Wright?-
A. This man here-Larkin G. Wright.
Q. The gentleman that was just on the
witness stand a moment ago?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know Mr. Love?-
A. Yes. sir.
Q. Did you know his wife?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know anything about the history of
Mrs. Love, how she was brought up and where
she was raised and her parentage?-
A. Yes; a good deal, in an incidental way.
Q. Kindly state what you know about Mrs.
Love, when you first knew her.- A. That
Sallie, her sister Sallie, came to our house
I reckon nearly a year before she died: me
and my husband raised Sallie. In the
meantime my sister, Mrs. Houston, wanted a
little girl and Dr. Wright came over to
Gardner's and got her and carried her to our
house, and I saw her at my sister's about
every week for years.
Q. Do you know whether or not she attended
the Bloomfield school?-
A. I don't think that I know about that. I
don't believe the school was where Choctaws
and Chickasaws both attended.
Q. Did you have any connection with that
school?-
A. I taught there once, but that was before
she was there; I taught there along two or
three years before that.
Q. You say that Mrs. Houston, a sister of
yours, took Lorena to raise?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Where was Mrs. Houston living at that
time?-
A. At the time she took her she was living
down near Rock Springs, where we had lived,
and her husband was a stock man and they
afterwards moved to Kauffman County, Tex.
Q. Did you ever see Lorena after that?-
A. We went to that country, too, but we went
there several years after they did, and I
saw her often.
Q. Were you living In the neighborhood when
she was married?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Were you present when she married Mr.
Love?-
A. Yes, sir; he was living at our house and
had been about a year.
Q. Can you now name the minister who
performed that ceremony?-
A. I know it was the man that baptized me,
but I can't recall the name.
Q. The same minister that baptized you?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. But you can't recall his name right now?-
A. Maybe I will think of It after a while.
Q. Do you know where Mr. Love and his wife
lived after they were married at Terrell.
Tex.?-
A. They came up here to the Choctaw Nation,
to Durant
Q. When did you come back to the Choctaw
Nation?-
A. We came back 10 or 12 years ago.
Q. You never saw Lorena here in the nation?-
A. No, sir.
Q. After you came back?-
A. No, sir.
Q. Do you know anything about what became of
a brother and sister of Lorena?-
A. I don't know anything about the brother.
The sister lived and married at my house,
and afterwards-we lived then near Rock
Springs-and she came here to live and died
here. I don't know much about her after she
married.
Q. Do you know the name of the brother?-
A. Simeon seems familiar, but I couldn't say
that was it.
Q. Do you know anything about the parentage
of these three children?-
A. No. sir.
Q. Were these children full-blood Indians?-
A. Yes, sir; I presume so.
Q. Never heard of them having white blood?-
A. No, sir. That minister's name was Spencer
that married Willis and also baptized me.
Witness excused.
Frances Duer, being duly sworn and
examined as a witness, testified as follows:
By Mr. Lee:
Q. Kindly state your name.-
A. Frances Duer.
Q. How do you spell that last name?-
A. D-u-e-r.
Q. Where do you live?-
A. About 2 miles west of town.
Q. How long have you lived there?-
A. I have lived here all my life, close to
Durant, for 30 years.
Q. About how old are you Mrs. Duer?-
A. I am about 58.
Q. Did I understand you to say that you had
lived in this country about all your life?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know Willis Love, here?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you know his wife?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What was her name?-
A. Lorena Frazier.
Q. When did you first know Lorena Frazier?-
A. As long as I can remember I knew her.
Q. Well, do you mean by that ever since she
was born?-
A. Ever since she was a small child.
Q. Do you know anything about who her people
were?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Now, who did you say they were?-
A. John Frazier, and I don't know his wife's
name, never did bear it. His Indian name was
Flish, and we used to call her Mrs. Flish.
That's all the way I knew her.
Q. Do you know about what time John Frazier
and his wife died?-
A. I was small and didn't pay much
attention. He died a smart while before she
died.
Q. Where did they live?-
A. Off a little ways from here.
Q. In the Choctaw Nation?-
A. Yes, sir; in the Choctaw Nation.
Q. In Blue County?-
A. Yes, sir; Blue County.
Q. Do you know what brothers and sisters, if
any, Lorena had?-
A. A brother and sister, Sallie, and his
name Simeon.
Q. Do you know what became of Simeon
Frazier?-
A. I heard he died; died right around here.
Q. You don't know where he died?-
A. Right close around here, but I don't know
where.
Q. Do you know what became of Sallie?-
A. She died.
Q. She died?-
A. Yes. sir; I never seen her no more after
they went off to Texas. I didn't see them
any more and never seen Sallie any more, but
I seen Rena after she came to Durant.
Q. What do you know about them going to
Texas?-
A. I knew they went, but I don't know much
about that; nothing until they came back.
Q. Did you ever see Lorena after she went to
Texas?-
A. Not until after she married.
Q. Saw her after she married?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Where did you see her?-
A. In Durant.
Q. About when was that?-
A. Well, that's been twenty-six or seven
years ago, I guess; I don't know just
exactly. I didn't take no notice of it at
the time, you know.
Q. Do you know a Mrs. Jefferson?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know a Mollie Jefferson?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Where does she live?-
A. I don't know; I haven't seen her for a
long time.
Q. Was she related in any way to Lorena
Love?-
A. Yes, sir; aunt.
Q. Aunt?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Is she an Indian.-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know whether she is enrolled and
has her land or not?-
A. I don't know.
Witness excused.
Durant, Okla., November 19, 1910. No
appearance for Nations.
Mollie Jefferson, being duly sworn and
examined as a witness, testified as follows,
through Frank Anderson, sworn interpreter:
By Mr. Lee:
Q. What Is your name?-
A. Mollie Jefferson.
Q. Where do you live?-
A. About 7 miles from here.
Q. How old are you?-
A. Fifty-seven.
Q. Who was your father?-
A. Bob Holmes, in English.
Q. Who was your mother?-
A. Betsey Honey.
Q. Did you know Lorena Frazier?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Who was she?-
A. She's the daughter of Flish-John Frazier.
Q. What relation was Lorena Frazier to you?-
A. Niece to my husband.
Q. When did you last see Lorena Frazier?-
. Been a good while; I don't know.
Q. What is the name of your husband?-
A. Wesley Anderson.
Q. Who was Lorena's father and mother?-
A. John Frazier.
Q. That was her father. Who was her mother?-
A. They used to call her Betsy, is all I
know, and in the Choctaw name they called it
Eshtona.
Q. What were the parents of Lorena; Indians,
white, or what?-
A. Full blood.
Q. Full-blood Choctaws?-
A. Yes.
Q. Did Lorena have any brothers and sisters
that you know of ?-
A. She had a brother named Simeon Frazier;
he's dead.
Q. Where did Simeon Frazier live?-
A. He didn't have no permanent home- Just
around-died In the neighborhood where I
lived.
Q. When did he die?-
A. Just about 40 years.
Q. Has he been dead 40 years? -
A. Long time: about 40 years he has been
dead. He died before they had this M. K. &
T. through here.
By Mr. Pollock :
Q. That is John Frazier that you are talking
about?-
A. Yes.
By Mr. Lee:
Q. I was talking about Simeon, when he died?
-
A. He died before this Katy had a line
through here.
Q. Simeon did?-
A. Yes.
Q. Did Lorena have any sisters? -
A. Had a sister older, than she; was named
Sallie.
Q. Did you know when Sallie died? -
A. She died after her brother died.
Q. Do you know of any relatives that Lorena
now has living? -
A. No relation: I don't think of any kind
except John Anderson.
Q. What relation is he? -
A. John Anderson was Rena's uncle's son.
Q. Did you know Simeon Frazier that lived at
Owl? -
A. I never did go up that way and I don't
know.
Q. Did you know any other Simeon Frazier
except that one that died several years ago?
-
A. There's lots of different Fraziers, but
no other one named Simeon Frazier: only that
one.
Q. Are you certain that the Simeon, who was
a brother of Lorena, died a long time ago,
about 40 years ago? -
A. Yes, sir; I know it.
Q. Do you know who Lorena Frazier married? -
A. Willis Love; that's what I heard.
Q. Do you know that of your own knowledge? -
A. Yes; I heard about it and I know it: I
have seen it myself.
Q. Do you know if Lorena had any children by
Willis Love? -
A. Yes, sir; Hattie, Frank, Fannie, Sarah,
Ruth.
Q. Do you know whether Ruth is married or
not? -
A. No, sir.
Q. Do you know whether Sarah is married? -
Yes, sir.
Q. Do you know whether Fannie is married or
not? -
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Is Frank married? -
A. Yes.
Q. Did you mention Hattie Brown as being a
daughter of Lorena Love or not?-
A. Yes.
Q. Is Hattie married?-
A. Yes.
Q. Do you know whether she has any children?
-
A. I think she has two of them, but I
haven't seen them for a while.
Q. Do you know whether Lorena is now living?
-
A. I said she's dead.
Q. Do you know this gentleman sitting here
by me? -
A. Yes.
Q. Who is he?-
A. Willis Love.
Q. Is he the husband of Lorena? -
A. Yes; used to be.
Q. When did the mother and father of Lorena
and Sallie and Simeon die? - A. They have
been a long time dead; I don't know exactly.
Q. Do you know what became of the three
children when their father and mother died?
-
A. The father died and then the mother died
the year after that. We taken charge of the
children, and Lucinda Durant came and got
the children and sent them to school.
Q. Do you know Dr. Wright? -
A. Yes; he had the children, too.
Q. Do you know a man named Gardner? -
A. Yes; I knowed him; he's dead.
Q. Do you know whether he had anything to do
with the children or not? - A. No. We had
them, and Dixon sent them to school.
Q. What connection did Dr. Wright have with
them? -
A. Just keeping them. I suppose.
Q. Do you know what became of Lorena? -
A. Dead.
Q. I mean what became of Lorena Wright after
Dr. Wright had her? -
A. After Dr. Wright had her this fellow
married her.
Witness excused.
Albert G. McMillan, being duly sworn,
states that he reported the proceedings had
in the above-entitled cause, and that the
foregoing is a true and correct translation
of his stenographic notes.
Albert G. McMillan
Subscribed and sworn to before me this 16th
day of December 1910.
[SEAL.] Harry Montague,
Notary Public.
Notes About the Book:
Source: Five Civilized Tribes In Oklahoma, Reports of the Department of the
Interior and Evidentiary Papers in support of S. 7625, a Bill for the Relief of
Certain Members of the Five Civilized Tribes in Oklahoma, Sixty-second Congress,
Third Session, Published 1913, by the Department of the Interior, United States.
Online Publication: The manuscript was scanned and then ocr'd. Minimal editing
has been done, and readers can and should expect some errors in the textual
output.
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