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G. J. Humphrey,
Choctaw
G. J. Humphrey Et Al.,
Choctaws.
Dawes Commission, No. 1364,
Refer to Dawes.
No. 61.
Same record as Louis Hill and
consolidated with that case in United States
court, and both cases consolidated with the
Z. T. Bottoms's case by the citizenship
court, the claimants in all three cases
being descendants of the same ancestors, to
wit, Billy Bottoms, also called Nocatubbee,
and Ann Meshulatubbee.
Names of applicants in consolidated case
admitted by United States court: Louis Hill,
Elizabeth Palmer, Georgia Allen Palmer, Lee
H. Palmer, Earl Palmer. J. Wesley Hill.
Bertie Bell Hill, Joseph Lewis Blagg, W. B.
Hill, G. J. Humphrey, William Walter
Humphrey, Culls Monroe Humphrey, and Ellett
(or Emmett) Leroy Humphrey.
Names of those not included in the court
judgment, but for whom application was made
to the commission within the time fixed by
law. December 1, 1905: Nettie May Palmer,
William L. Hill, Willie O. Humphrey, Parlee
Hill, Roy Hill, and Josie Palmer.
Names of newborn, entitled under act of
April 26, 1900: Leon Augustus Palmer, Floyd
Hurst Palmer, Gladys Humphrey, and Johnson
Humphrey.
Statement By Counsel, For Claimants
Counsel for claimants respectfully submit
that the following persons are entitled to
enrollment:
Those admitted to citizenship by judgment of
United States court: William Fletcher
Bottoms, William Henry Bottoms, Rose Bell
Bottoms, William Elmer Bottoms, Rebecca
Morrow, William Fletcher Morrow, Walter
Morrow, Letitia Morrow, Jewell Morrow,
Beulah Morrow, Minnie Morrow, Winnie Morrow,
William Ira Bottoms, Claudie McClellan
Bottoms, Bettie Jane Bottoms, Pearl Putnam,
Hattie Jane Putnam, Frankie Lee Putnam,
Pauline E. Bennett, Zachariah Thomas
Bottoms, William Luther Bottoms, Francis
Caroline Bottoms, James Zachariah Bottoms,
Joseph Smith Bottoms, Bertha May Bottoms,
September Bottoms, Ester E. Bottoms, William
Alexander Bottoms, Allie A. Bottoms, Bertha
Annie Bottoms, Thomas Atwood, Emmett
Montgomery, Thomas W. Segroves, Elizabeth
Segroves, Charles Webster Segroves, George
Franklin Segroves, Doc Thomas Segroves,
William Cleveland Segroves, Zachariah
Segroves, Paralee Segroves, James B.
Segroves, Samuel Montgomery Segroves,
Eldredge Kirkland, Jessie Ester Kirkland,
Mary Pruda Kirkland, William Walter
Kirkland, Sallie Grace Kirkland, Joseph
Kirkland, Beulah Kirkland, William Kirkland,
Monte Kirkland, Lee Kirkland, Laura Izen
Kirkland, Roxie Kirkland, Sallie Kirkland,
Ulsley Mainnard, Marcus L. Ivey, James L.
Ivey, William J. Ivey, Thomas F. Ivey, Nora
E. Ivey, Lewis A. Ivey, Nancy Ann Steppick,
Charles Franklin Steppick, Thomas Joseph
Steppick, George Washington Steppick,
William Oscar Steppick, Bessie L. Steppick,
John H. Gregory, Thomas L. Ivey, Elisha W.
Ivey, Bertie L. Ivey, Katie Crawford, Nora
Lee Crawford, Louis Hill, Elizabeth Palmer,
Georgia Allen Palmer, Lee H. Palmer, Earl
Palmer, J. Wesley Hill, Bertie Bell Hill,
Joseph Lewis Blagg, W. B. Hill, G. J.
Humphreys, William Walter Humphrey, Cullis
Monroe Humphrey, and Ellett (or Emmett)
Leroy Humphrey.
Names of those not included in court
judgment but for whom application was made
to the commission within the time fixed by
law, December 1, 1905: Samuel Bottoms,
Thomas B. Bottoms, Lonnie Moore, Gracie
Bottoms, Louis Segroves, Bertha May
Segroves, Ethel Lillian Segroves, Nettie May
Palmer, William L. Hill, Willie O. Humphrey,
Parlee Hill, Roy Hill, and Josie Palmer.
Names of new born properly filed with the
commission within the time prescribed by
law: Eck E. Ivey, Hattie Ann Ivey, Ula
Vircia Ivey, Katie Segroves, Charles Walter
Morrow, Willis Edmond Segroves, Euthen Ray
Segroves, Thomas Virgil Bottoms, Mary Naomi
Bottoms, Beatrice Bottoms, Mattie Opal
Bottoms, William Henry Riddle, Earnest J.
Segroves, Floyd Hurst Humphrey, Gladys
Humphrey, and Leon Augustus Palmer.
Respectfully submitted.
J. E. HUMPHRET.
and Ballinger & Lee.
In the United States
Court for Southern District of Indian
Territory, at Ardmore.
Z. T. Bottoms et al., plaintiffs, v. Choctaw
Nation, defendant.
Judgment.
This day this cause coming on to ho heard
upon the pleadings, exhibits, proof,
master's report, and the exceptions "filed
thereto by the plaintiff, and it appearing
that said report has been filed since June
23, 1897, and no exceptions have been filed
thereto by the Choctaw Nation:
It is therefore ordered and adjudged by the
court that said report be confirmed, in so
far as no exceptions have been filed
thereto, and that the exceptions filed to
said report by the plaintiffs be and the
same are hereby, unstained, and the court
being sufficiently advised upon the whole
case doth adjudge, order, and decree that
William Fletcher Bottoms, William Henry
Bottoms, Rosa Belle Bottoms, William Elmer
Bottoms, Rebecca Morrow, William Fletcher
Morrow, Walter Morrow, Letitia Morrow,
Jewell Morrow, Beulah Morrow, Minnie Morrow,
Winnie Morrow, William Ira Bottoms, Claudie
McClellan Bottoms, Bettie Jane Bottoms,
Pearl Putnam, Hattie Jane Putnam, Frankie
Lee Putnam, Pauline E. Bennett, Zachariah
Thomas Bottoms, William Luther Bottoms,
Francis Caroline Bottoms, James Zachariah
Bottoms, Joseph Smith Bottoms, Bertha May
Bottoms, Septemer Bottoms, Ester E. Bottoms,
William Alexander Bottoms, Allia A. Bottoms,
Bertha Annie Bottoms, Thomas Atwood, Emmett
Montgomery, Thomas W. Segroves, Elizabeth
Segroves, Charles Webster Segroves, George
Franklin Segroves, Doc Thomas Segroves,
William Cleveland Segroves, 7aeharlah
Segroves, Paralee Segroves, James B.
Segroves, Samuel Montgomery Segroves,
Eldredge Kirkland, Jessie Easter Kirkland,
Mary Pruda Kirkland, William Walter
Kirkland, Sallie Oracle Kirkland, Joseph
Kirkland, Beulah Kirkland, William Kirkland,
Monte Kirkland, Lee Kirkland, Laura Inez
Kirkland, Roxie Kirkland, Sallie Kirkland,
Usley Mainnard, Marcus L. Ivey, James L.
Ivey, William J. Ivey, Thomas F. Ivey, Nora
R. Ivey, Lewis A. Ivey, Nancy Ann Steppick,
Charles Franklin Steppick, Thomas Joseph
Steppick, George Washington Steppick,
William Oscar Steppick, Bessie L. Steppick,
John H. Gregory, Thomas L. Ivey, Elisha W.
Ivey, Bertie L. Ivey, Katie Crawford, Nora
Lee Crawford, each and all be admitted and
enrolled as members of the Choctaw Tribe of
Indians, and that they have all the rights,
privileges, and immunities as such.
It is further ordered by the court that a
copy of this judgment he certified by the
clerk of this court to the Commission for
the Five Civilized Tribes of Indians, and
said commission Is hereby ordered and
directed to place each and all of the
above-named parties on the roll made out by
it for the Choctaw Nation as members
thereof.
HOSEA TOWNSEND. Judge
This is to certify that I am the officer
having custody of the records pertaining to
the enrollment of the members of the
Choctaw. Chickasaw, Cherokee. Creek, and
Seminole Tribes of Indians, and the
disposition of the land of said tribes, and
that the above and foregoing is a true and
correct copy of a copy of a judgment of the
court filed December 22, 1897, in the matter
of the enrollment of Z. T. Bottoms et al. as
members of the Choctaw Nation.
J. Geo. Wright.
Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
By W. H. Angell.
Clerk in Charge of Choctaw Records
Copy Of Order Of Court
United States Of America,
Indian Territory, Central District, ss:
In the United States court In the Indian
Territory, central district, at a term
thereof begun and held at South McAlester,
in the Indian Territory, on the 18th day of
January A. D. 1898.
Present: The Hon. William H. H. Clayton,
Judge of said court.
The following order was made and entered of
record, to wit:
Louis Hill et al. v. Choctaw Nation. No. 54.
Judgment.
On this 19th day of January, A. D. 1898,
comes the claimants herein by their attorney
and file their motion to reform the judgment
heretofore entered in this cause and for a
nunc pro tune entry herein.
The court being well and sufficiently
advised in the premises doth find that by a
clerical error the names of Minnie Humphrey,
William Fayette Hill, and Sarah Jane Blogg
were erroneously entered in said judgment,
and that they were not parties to this suit,
and that the court had no jurisdiction of
their persons.
Therefore it is ordered by the court that
said judgment heretofore entered be reformed
by striking out the names of the said Minnie
Humphrey, William Fayette Hill, and Sarah
Jane Blogg, which occur therein by clerical
error, and that said judgment be entered now
for the 26th day of August, 1897 and that it
read as follows, to wit:
Judgment
On this day this cause came on to be
heard, whereupon the plaintiffs and
defendant announced ready for trial, and the
court having heard the evidence and argument
of counsel, finds the issues in favor of the
plaintiffs herein, and finds that the
plaintiffs. Louis Hill, Elizabeth Palmer,
Georgia Allen Palmer, Lee H, Palmer, Earl
Palmer, J. Wesley Hill, Bertie Bell Hill,
Joseph Lewis Blogg, W. B. Hill, G. J.
Humphrey, William Walter Humphrey, Cullus
Monroe Humphrey, and Ellett Leroy Humphrey
are members by blood of the Choctaw Nation
and that all of said plaintiffs are entitled
to be placed upon the rolls of the members
of the Choctaw Nation as such members, and
entitled to nil the rights, privileges, and
immunities and benefits as such members.
It is therefore ordered, adjudged, and
decreed that the said plaintiffs above named
are members by blood of the Choctaw Nation,
and that the defendant Choctaw Nation
recognize the said plaintiffs as such
members in all respects, and that the
Commission to the Five Civilized Tribes
place the names of these plaintiffs upon the
rolls as members of the Choctaw Nation as
herein adjudged, and that the clerk of this
court furnish to said commission a certified
copy of the judgment and that the plaintiffs
have and recover of and from the defendant
all their costs herein laid out and
expended, for all of which let execution
issue.
United States Of America.
Indian Territory. - District, ss:
I, E. J. Fannin, clerk of the District Court
of the United States for the Central
District of the Indian Territory, do hereby
certify the foregoing to be a true copy of
an order made by said court on the 18th day
of January 1898, as appears from the records
of said court now on file in my office.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my
hand, at my office in South McAlester, in
said district, this 17th day of March, A. D.
1903.
[seal.] E. J. Fannin. Clerk
By I. M. Dodge, Deputy.
This is to certify that I am the officer
having custody of the records pertaining to
the enrollment of the members of the
Choctaw, Chickasaw, Cherokee, Creek, and
Seminole Tribes of Indians, and the
disposition of the land of said tribes, and
that the above and foregoing is a true and
correct copy of a certified copy of a
judgment of the court dated January 19, 1898
in the matter of the enrollment of Louis
Hill et al. as members of the Choctaw
Nation.
J. Geo. Wright,
Commissioner to the Fire Civilized Tribes
By W. H. Angell
Clerk in Charge of Choctaw Records.
Department Of The Interior, Muskogee,
Okla.
November 28, 1910.
In the matter of the enrollment of Z. T.
Bottoms et al, as citizens of the Choctaw
Nation. (See Choctaw card 5024.)
Proceedings had at Ardmore, Okla. November
10, 1910. before W. C. Pollock, assistant
attorney, Interior Department.
Appearances: Albert .T. Lee attorney for
claimants; E. P. Hill, attorney for Choctaw
Nation: A. W. Clapp, attorney for Chickasaw
Nation.
William Benjamin Hill, being duly sworn and
examined as a witness, testified as follows:
By Mr. Lee:
Q. State your name please?-
A. William Benjamin Hill.
Q. Where do you live Mr. Hill?-
A. Well, sir. I have stayed at Tishomingo
and at Durant: I haven't not no certain
home: haven't got no permanent home right
now.
Q. What is your present occupation?-
A. I lecture and preach.
Q. What relation are yon to Louis Hill?-
A. I am a brother.
Q. What relation are you to A. T. Bottoms?-
A. He is a cousin of mine.
Q. Where were yon in 1896. Mr. Hill?-
A. In 1896 I was In the penitentiary at
Huntsville. Tex.
Q. How long had you been there?-
A. Twenty years to a day from the time I
went In there until I got out.
Q. When did you get out?-
A. On the 23d day of December 1907; I got my
pardon here to show that.
Mr. Lee. We would like to have reference
made to the pardon of the governor to show
the date he got out of the pen.
Pardon is here exhibited to Messrs. Pollock,
Clapp and Hill.
We desire the record to show that Mr. Hill
presented a pardon signed by Gov. Campbell,
of Texas, dated December 23, 1907, pardoning
this applicant from the term for life in the
pen for murder.
Q. Where were yon tried?-
A. Gainesville.
Q. Where were the offenses committed?-
A. In Cook County, Tex.
Q. Where were you living at that time?-
A. Cook County, Tex.
Q. Did yon ever live in the Choctaw Nation?-
A. I lived in the Chickasaw two years: I
think it was Chickasaw, the line was so
close; I think it was Chickasaw.
Q. Was that shortly before you were in
prison?-
A. Yes. sir; 1878 and 1879.
Q. How far did you live from Louis Hill?-
A. When i first went there he was living in
Cherokee County, Tex., but he moved up there
in the winter of 1878 and lived there in
1879, from that on, but I went back to Cook
County.
Q. He was living in the Choctaw Nation at
that time?-
A. Yes sir.
Q. What degree of Choctaw blood have you,
Mr. Hill?-
A. Well, I inn a little over one-quarter.
Q. You claim that you are descended from
Billie Bottoms?-
A. Yes, sir; he was my grandfather.
Q. Where did he live, do you know?-
A. When he died he was living in Cherokee
County, Tex.
By Mr. Clapp:
Q. You say you lived In the Choctaw Nation
in 1878 and 1879?-
A. Yes sir; In the Chickasaw Nation: the
line was right close; close to Colbert,
Q. Then you went back to Cook County, and
yon were sent up from Cook County in 1887?-
A. Yes sir.
Q. What was your father's name?-
A. Ben Hill.
Witness excused.
William Anderson Farmer, being duly sworn
and examined as a witness, testified as
follows:
By Mr. Lee:
Q. Tell your name to this gentleman.-
A. William Anderson Farmer.
Q. Where do you live Mr. Farmer?-
A. Now I am camped at Melissa, in Collin
County, Tex.
Q. How long have you been down there?-
A. Been there about six weeks.
Q. What were you doing in Texas?-
A. Traveling with my wife for her health.
Q. Is she here?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Where were you living in 1896?-
A. West of Wynnewood. in the Chickasaw
Nation.
Q. Is your wife related or not to the Hills
and Bottoms';-
A. Yes sir.
Q. What relation is she to Z. T. Bottoms?-
A. Well, Mr. Louis Hill and Billie Bottoms
are her uncles.
Q. What relation is she to Z. T. Bottoms?-
A. Cousin to Tom Bottoms.
Q. Why did you not make application in 1896,
at the time Louis Hill made application?-
A. My wife had lost her mind and I couldn't
get away from there, and I couldn't get to
go to the Dawes Commission.
Q. You had to be with her nil the time, did
you? Her condition was such that you
couldn't leave her?-
A. Yes, sir: all the time.
Q. When did you leave that part of the
country?-
A. I-you mean west of Wynnewood ?
Q. Yes.-
A. I left there in-I reckon must have been
the fall of 1900.
Q. How long was your wife in that
condition?-
A. Right at three years.
Q. Where did you take her from there?-
A. To Mineral Wells, and from there to Faber
Junction and back to Wapanucka, Okla: only
out with her about nine months that time.
By Mr. Clapp:
Q. You were living west of Wynnewood in
1898?-
A. 1896 and 1898.
Q. Lived there until when-1900?-
A. Yes. sir.
By Mr. Hill :
Q. Have you any children?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How old are they?-
A. My oldest child is-she was born in 1881;
and I have a boy, then, that's 23, and one
that's 22, and one that's 24; I have one
that's 15: have a girl that's 19.
Q. Were they living with you at the time you
lived west of Wynnewood?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. In the same house with you?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How far were you from the railroad?-
A. Twelve miles west of Wynnewood, 3 miles
east of Elmore, and 3 miles west of Brady.
Q. During the time, the three years that you
say your wife was afflicted, these children
lived with you there?-
A. Yes sir.
Q. Did you ever write to the members of the
Dawes Commission about your claim to
citizenship?-
A. No sir: I don't know as I ever wrote to
them at all: I can't write myself.
Q. Did any members of your family write to
them during that time?-
A. No sir; my family was small then, all but
a girl, and she's hard of hearing; she's
afflicted herself.
Q. You didn't communicate with the Dawes
Commission in any way?-
A. No, sir; not at that time I didn't.
Q. Did you with any of the tribal officials
of the Choctaw and Chickasaw Tribes?-
A. No sir.
Q. Did you ever vote at any of the Indian
elections?-
A. No, sir: I have never voted at the Indian
elections.
Q. Did you ever try to vote?-
A. No, sir: never tried to vote.
Q. Ever held any lands as an Indian?-
A. Yes sir.
Q. How much rent did yon pay for it?-
A. How much rent? I didn't pay any rent; I
was recognized there as a Choctaw Indian: I
taken up this land.
Q. Whereabouts?-
A. Twelve miles west of Wynnewood and 3
miles east of Elmore. I bought it from Bud
Watkin and it was Edna Sheldon's land and
Bud married her.
Q. Then you hold a claim tinder a
Choctaw-Chickasaw citizen?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Buy the Improvements on it?-
A. Yes sir.
Q. Well, during the time that you were
traveling around over the country with your
wife, or after she improved, why didn't you
make some application to the Dawes
Commission?-
A. Well, the Dawes Commission I don't
suppose was here at the time that my wife
was improved so I could take her.
Q. You knew they were at Muskogee all the
time, didn't you?-
A. No sir: I didn't know that.
Q. When did you first decide to submit your
claim?-
A. When did I?
Q. When?-
A. Well. I don't know when I first decided
to make this claim. I have been decided all
the time, but I couldn't get before that
Dawes Commission with my wife.
Q. Who told you you had any right?-
A. Well, I have been taught that ever since
I have been in the Choctaw and Chickasaw
Nation, that my wife was a native of the
Choctaw Nation.
Q. Got any contracts with any lawyers?-
A. No, sir; I haven't got any contract with
any lawyers.
Q. Has your wife got any?
Mr. Lee. We submit that that's immaterial,
Mr. Hill.
A. My wife never made any contract with any
lawyer. Momen Pruitt came to the house, but
my wife wasn't able to make a contract with
him, and the contract was made with other
parties there.
By Mr. Lee:
Q When was this Momen Pruitt came out?-
A. That was 1897 wasn't it? I don't know
just what year it was.
Q. Is your wife still subject to mental
derangement?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How often does that occur?-
A. Every two or three weeks, and then maybe
for three or four months: just now able to
get about again.
Q. You spoke of a number of children. Give
their names, please, in the order of their
age.-
A. Lizzie Jane.
Q. Is she married or single?-
A. Single.
Q. How old is she?-
A. She was born in 1883, I believe, or 1882.
Q. What is the next one?-
A. William Edward.
Q. Go ahead with them. What is the age of
that one?-
A. The first one?
Q. No; the one you just mentioned?-
A. He was born in 1886.
Q. All right. The name of the next one.-
A. Lafayette Campton.
Q. How old?-
A. He was born in 1888.
Q. Any more?-
A. Yes, sir; I have another one.
Q. Name that one please.-
A. Archie Leroy.
Q. How old?-
A. He is 16 years old the 15th of this
month.
Q. Have you any more?-
A. Katie that's a girl, she's 18 she's
married.
Q. What is her name now?-
A. M. V. Wright.
Q. Married M. V. Wright?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How long has she been married?-
A. Three years.
Q. Has she any. children?-
A. One.
Q. What's its name?-
A. I don't know.
Q. Now. Mr. Farmer, were any of these
children old enough to be left In the care
of your wife In 1896?-
A. No, sir; they wasn't, in the shape my
wife was in.
Q. Was she confined to her bed?-
A. She was down on the bed and helpless.
Q. Was she at times in such condition as to
require you to hold her?-
A. Yes; sometimes two men couldn't hold her;
had to tie her feet and hands.
Q. Did you have any talk with Louis Hill
about this case at the time he made his
application?-
A. Never seen him then.
Q. How far was he from you?-
A. He was at Colbert, and I was west of
Wynnewood.
Q. Did you come in contact with Z. T.
Bottoms at that time?-
A. No, sir.
Q. How far were you from him at that time?-
A. About 35 miles, but I didn't know at that
time that Bottoms was there.
Q. Did you at any time ever try to go before
the Dawes Commission or elsewhere?-
A. I did one time at Durant.
Q. Do you remember what year that was?-
A. I don't know whether it was the
commission or that doubtful court. No, I
don't remember what year that was.
Q. Were you
A. It must be in 1898, wasn't it. when they
were there?
Q. You now think it was in 1898?-
A. Well, It was when they was down at
Durant, the only time they was there.
Q. Do you remember what was told you at that
time?-
A. Never told me nothing; that's what they
told me-said to step aside.
By Mr. Ciapp:
Q. What money did your family ever draw from
the Choctaw Nation? Did they draw any?-
A. No sir.
Q. You don't claim any of them were ever on
the rolls?-
A. Well, my family wasn't on the rolls, but
Hills claim they are on the roll. My family
was in such condition I couldn't get there
with them.
By Mr. Hill:
Q. I didn't understand about that court that
you went before at Durant. You say you went
before the court?-
A. I went there to get before the court, but
I never went before it.
Q. How long were you there?-
A. Two days and nights.
Q. Was your family there with you at that
time?-
A. Yes sir; I had my wife there.
Q. She was able to travel about then?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did she go before the court?-
A. Well, I think she went in there. I don't
know whether she went before it or not. I
think she was in there.
Q. Did you go to Durant on purpose to go
before the court?-
A. My business when I went out-I started out
with my wife for her health, and we heard of
the court there and landed down there.
Q. And stayed there two days?-
A. Yea, sir.
Q. Did you make any effort to get before the
court?-
A. I seen around there and talked to the
Hills about it at that time. The Dawes
Commission was there, but I don't remember
anything that was said to me before it.
Q. You never talked to any of the members of
the Dawes Commission there?-
A. No, sir.
Q. Nor anybody representing them?-
A. Well. I talked to J. G. Rails-no, he
wasn't representing the commission.
Q. He represented the citizenship claimants:
but did you talk to anybody connected with
the commission there about going before
them?-
A. No, sir I never.
Q. Where were you married?-
A. I was married in Hunt County, 12 miles
south of Greenville, Tex.
Q. When?-
A. In 1881 or 1880.
Q. When did you come to the Indian
Territory?-
A. I came here in 1886 or 1887. I don't
remember just which it was. I have been here
about 24 years.
Witness excused.
Susanna Jane Farmer, being duly sworn and
examined as a witness, testified as follows:
By Mr. Lee:
Q. Give your full name, please.
A. Susanna Jane Farmer.
Q. Are you related to Mr. Hill that was just
on the stand a moment ago?- A. Yes, sir.
Q. What relation are you to him?-
A. He's my uncle.
Q. What relation are you to Louis Hill?-
A. He was my uncle.
Q. What relation are you to Z. T. Tom,
Bottoms?-
A. Cousin.
Q. Do you know anything about who your
parents and grandparents were on both sides?
Can you give me any information about that?-
A. Well, my grandmother was a Hill.
Q. What was her name?-
A. Piety Hill.
Q. Do you know who Piety Hill's parents
were?-
A. Bottoms.
Q. Who was her father?-
A. Billie Bottoms.
Q. Now can you give the names of your
children?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Kindly state them, please, the mimes and
ages, as you give them.-
A. Lizzie Jane Farmer.
Q. How old is she?-
A. She will be 28 the 9th of this month-of
December.
Q. What is the next one?-
A. William Edward Farmer.
Q. How old is he?
A. He will be 24 years old in next October.
Q. Next one.
A. Lafayette Campton.
Q. How do you spell that?-
A. We call him Camp; I don't know how you
spell it.
Q. How old is he?-
A. Twenty-two.
Q. What Is the next one?-
A. Katie.
Q. Katie Farmer?-
A. Katie Claytte Farmer.
Q. How old is she?-
A. Nineteen the 25th of July next.
Q. Any more?-
A. Archie Leroy.
Q. How old' is he?-
A. He will be 16 the 13th of March.
Q. Any more?-
A. No. sir; that's all.
Q. Are these children all living with you
now?-
A. Yes. sir.
Q. Do you remember when you were at Durant
with your husband at the time he spoke of a
moment ago?-
A. Yes, sir; I remember being there.
Q. Did you go before any of the Government
officers at that time? -
A. I went in there where the Dawes
Commission was.
Q. Did you have anything to say to any of
the members of the Dawes Commission? -
A. No, sir: nothing, only he asked me if I
was Indian by blood, and I told him I was,
and he read a little piece and said step
aside.
Q. Who did that?-
A. I don't know.
Q. Was he one of the commissioners? -
A. Yes, sir; I reckon so.
Here counsel for claimants requests that a
search be made for such an application.
By Mr. Clapp:
Q. What was your mother's name? -
A. Nancy Jane Hill.
Q. What was your father's name? -
A. J. M. Reagan.
Q. What sort of a looking man was this that
told you to step aside at Durant?-
A. Great, big, fleshy looking fellow.
Q. How did you know that was the Dawes
Commission? -
A. I don't know: only they were in there for
that business, I reckon; registering or
whatever they call it.
Q. What year was that? -
A. I declare I don't know now.
Q. Did they ask you if you claimed to be on
any tribal rolls?-
A. Yes, sir: I told them I had been taught
from an infant that I was Indian.
Q. You told them that you knew you were not
on the tribal rolls, didn't you?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did they ask if you drew any money? -
A. They only asked me mighty few questions.
Q. Asked you if you had ever been admitted
to citizenship? -
A. No, sir.
Q. How much Choctaw blood do you claim? -
A. Well, I don't know exactly.
Q. All you told the people that you appeared
before there at Durant was that you had been
taught you had Choctaw blood? -
A. Yes, sir.
By Mr. Hill:
Q. Mrs. Farmer, you are the wife of the man
who was just on the stand? - A Yes sir.
Q. Your mother, you said, was a Hill? -
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Your father was a Reagan? -
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Where were they married? -
A. Well, I couldn't tell you that.
Q. Well, where did they live?-
A. Well, they lived there In Hunt County,
Tex.
Q. Do you know how long they had lived In
Hunt County, Tex? -
A. No, sir: I don't.
Q. Were you born in Hunt County, Tex.? -
A. Yes sir.
Q. How old are you now? -
A. Well, I am 54 years old, I reckon; I was
born
Q. You were born at the old homestead there
in Hunt County? -
A. I was born there in Hunt County close
around the home I reckon.
Q. Well did you ever hear your parents say
how long they had lived in that country? -
A. No. sir.
Q. Have you no idea about how long they
lived in that country?-
A. No. I don't at present.
Q. Well, were you the oldest child?-
A. Yes, sir; I am the oldest child.
Q. What business were they engaged in there?
-
A. My father was a farmer.
Q. What State did your father come from to
Texas?-
A. I don't know what State my father came
from.
Q. Was he born in Texas himself? -
A. I couldn't tell you.
Q. Do you know whether your mother was born
in Texas or not? -
A. No, sir.
Q. What relation was your mother to William
Hill, who was on the witness stand just now?
-
A. Brother and sister.
Q. You remember when you lived up here west
of Wynnewood? -
A. Yea, sir.
Q. How long did you live there?-
A. I don't, know; seemed like a long time.
Q. Did you have any relatives living close
to you up there? -
A. My sister.
Q. Your sister? -
A. Yes, sir.
Q. She lived up there with you?-
A. Close to me.
Q. How far from you?-
A. Well, I reckon she lived about a quarter.
Q. On the same place? -
A. Yes sir.
Q. Was she married at that time?-
A. Yes sir.
Q. Her husband living there with her?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How lung did they live there? -
A. About as long as we have. I reckon.
Q. They were there when you were there
sick?-
A. Yes, sir; they was there when I was sick.
Q. Did you go to town any, did you visit
Wynnewood any during the time you lived
there?-
A. I think I was there one time.
Q. Were your father and mother ever in
Indian Territory? Were they ever in this
country?-
A. Why, I don't know.
Q. They are dead now?-
A. Yes, sir.
By Mr. Clapp:
Q. All these children you have named, are
they all alive?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You have never been declared an
incompetent or insane, have you?-
A. No, sir; I reckon not; I don't know.
Q. When you appeared before that court or
commission in Durant you were in your right
mind?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And have been ever since, haven't you?-
A. No, sir: I haven't.
Q. Have there been intervals when you
haven't?-
A. I don't know what you might call it; I
just get that way gradually.
Q. You are in your right mind now?-
A. Yes I reckon so.
Q. Well, have you been this way all the
time?-
A. No sir; about eight years ago. I reckon,
or ten.
Q. About eight years ago?-
A: Eight or ten, I don't know just how long.
Witness excused.
Rebecca Ellen Powell, being duly sworn
and examined as a witness, testified as
follows:
By Mr. Lee:
Q. State your full name, please.-
A. Rebecca Ellen Powell.
Q. Where do you live, Mrs. Powell?-
A. I live at Wapanucka.
Q. How long have you been living there?-
A. I don't know exactly; I have been there a
good while: right around Wapa for the last
10 years.
Q. You are married, are you?-
A. Yes. sir.
Q. What is your husband's name?-
A. W. H. Powell.
Q. Where were you living in 1896. Mrs.
Powell?-
A. Well, I couldn't tell you that; I can't
keep up with the years.
Q. Are you a sister of Mrs. Farmer, that was
just on the stand?-
A. Yes sir.
Q. Did you attempt to make any application
in 1896 for enrollment before the Dawes
Commission?-
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you at any time after that?-
A. No, sir; I don't know as I have.
Q. Are you a full sister of Mrs. Farmer?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Same father and same mother?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Have you any children?-
A. Yes, sir: I have got five children.
Q. What are their names, please?-
A. Well, the oldest one is named Cordie.
Q. Is that a boy or girl?-
A. Girl.
Q. How old is she?-
A. She's 23.
Q. Is she married?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What is her married name?-
A. Adraholtz.
Q. Do you know how to spell it?-
A. No, sir: I can't spell.
Q. Has this girl any children ?-
A. She's got one baby.
Q. How old is it?-
A. Be 2 years old in February.
Q. Now. what is your next child?-
A. Next one is 20 years old.
Q. What is its name?-
A. Nora Catherine Gentry now-she's married.
Q. How long has she been married?-
A. She's been married four years.
Q. Has she any children?-
A. She's got two.
Q. How old is the oldest?-
A. Little girl nearly 3 years old, and then
a baby.
Q. What is its name?-
A. Archie is the youngest and Gracie is the
oldest.
Q. Now what is your next child's name?-
A. William is the next oldest.
Q. William Powell?-
A. Yes. sir.
Q. How old is he?-
A. He will be 19 years old the 20th of
January.
Q. Is he married?-
A. No. sir.
Q. Living with you?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What is the name of the next one?-
A. Lucinda, 17 years old.
Q. Is she single?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Does she live with you?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Now, there's one more, isn't there?-
A. A girl.
Q. What is her name?-
A. Bessie, 13 years old.
By Mr. Clapp :
Q. What is your mother's name?-
A. My mother she's named Jane Reagan.
Q. And your father's name?-
A. James Reagan.
Q. You consider that you are entitled to
citizenship in the Choctaw Nation?-
A. Yes, sir; I think I am entitled to It.
Q. Have you always thought that:-
A. Yes sir; because I have been taught from
my mother I was Indian.
Q. Yon know Louis Hill, don't you?-
A. Yes, sir; he's he's uncle.
Q. How does he come to be your uncle?-
A. He is my mother's brother.
Q. You knew that he had been denied
admission to citizenship by the Choctaw
Nation, didn't you?-
A. I don't know.
Q. Didn't you ever hear that?-
A. I don't know anything about it.
Q. You don't know anything about that?-
A. No sir.
Q. You never drew any moneys from the
Choctaw Nation?-
A. No, sir; I never drew any.
Q. Don't claim to have been on any tribal
roll?--
A. No sir.
Witness excused.
William Harvey Powell, being duly sworn
and1 examined as a witness, testified as
follows:
By Mr. Lee:
Q. State your full name, please.-
A. William Harvey Powell.
Q. Are yon the husband of the lady that was
just on the stand?-
A. Yes sir.
Q. When were you married to her?-
A. Married in 1880.
Q. Where?-
A. Twelve miles south of Greenville, in Hunt
County, Tex.
Q. How long have you lived in the Choctaw
and Chickasaw Nations?-
A. Ever since 1887.
Q. Where were you in 1896?-
A. Near Elmore.
Q. Did you make any attempt, personally or
through others, to have application made for
your wife at that time?-
A. Yes sir; we wrote to John Humphrey-.T. G.
Humphrey.
Q. What did you say in that letter?-
A. We wrote to have Uncle Louis Hill to have
our names put in the application.
Q. Did Mr. Humphrey reply to that letter?-
A. Well. I don't remember whether he did or
not.
Q. Can you say why you didn't take your wife
before the commission?-
A. Well, we had to be there with Mrs.
Farmer.
Q. Were you aiding in taking care of her at
that time?-
A. Yes, sir; we helped to take care of her
when she was crazy.
Q. Did you ever make any other effort to get
before the Dawes Commission?-
A. Yes, sir: we went before the Dawes
Commission at Atoka in 1899.
Q. What did yon do there In the way of
trying to make application?-
A. We just went before the commission and
claimed our citizenship.
Q. Well, what did the commission say to
you?-
A. They asked me a few questions and wrote
it down and then told me to step aside.
Q. Was your wife with you at that time?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Was Mr. Farmer there at that time?-
A. Yes: he was along with us, but he never
went before them.
Q. Do you know anything about your wife's
parentage?-
A. I knew her father and mother.
Q. Who were they?-
A. Her mother was Jane Reagan, and her
father was Jim Reagan.
Q. Well, do you know who the grandparents
were?-
A. No, sir; I never knew them.
Q. Did you ever make any attempt to be
recognized or enrolled by the tribal
officials at any time?-
A. No, sir.
Q. Do you remember when Louis Hill went
before the council of the Choctaw Nation?-
A. Well, he was there. I think, in 1887.
Q. 1887.-
A. I think it was.
Q. Did you make any effort then?-
A. I asked him to attend to my case then.
Q Well, did he say he would?-
A. He said he would, and that was the last
of it.
By Mr. Clapp :
Q. You know that the Choctaw tribunal
rejected Louis Hill, don't you?-
A. Well, I don't know what you call it. This
citizenship court knocked him out.
Q. Well, back in 1887 or 1888 the Choctaw
officials knocked him out didn't they?-
A. I suppose they did.
Q. You never considered that your wife was a
recognized citizen after that, did yon?-
A. I don't know as I paid much attention to
it, but other Indians, citizens of the
Territory, said she was entitled to it.
Q. That's what you went on?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You say you went to Atoka before the
Dawes Commission?-
A. Yes sir.
Q. Who were the members that were there of
the commission':-
A. I couldn't tell you the names; Bixby. I
think, was one; the only one I remember.
Q. What sort of a looking man was he?-
A. I couldn't describe the man.
Q. Anything about him that you can
remember?-
A. Only that a large man that asked
questions; I don't know whether it was Bixby
or not.
Q. They asked you if you or your family was
on the tribal rolls, didn't they?-
A. They asked me if I was a citizen; I told
them no, but I claimed it through my wife,
for her and the children.
Q. Did they ask you if she had any tribal
recognition?-
A. No, sir.
Q. Was she there?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did they ask her any questions?-
A. I couldn't tell you what they asked her.
Q. Couldn't tell me?-
A. No. sir; they questioned me and put me
out and then she went In.
Q. Did they ask you whether she had ever
applied to the tribal authorities for
admission?-
A. No; never asked that question.
Q. Where do you live now?-
A. Wapanucka, Johnson County.
Q. That's your post-office address?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Live right in town?-
A. No; a mile north of town.
By Mr. Hill :
Q. When did you come to the Indian
Territory?-
A. First came in 1887.
Q. How did you happen to move up here?-
A. Well. I came up here because my wife had
some people up here and I wanted to see the
country.
Q. What people did she have up here?-
A. Uncle; and then she had a lot of cousins.
Q. How long had they been up here?-
A. Well. I couldn't tell you how long.
Q. When did you say you were married?-
A. In 1880, the 11th day of July.
Q. Were your wife's people living up here
when you were married?-
A. No, sir; in Texas.
Q. In Texas?-
A. That is, her cousins and uncles were in
the Territory.
Q. Was it her people that told her after she
moved up here that she was an Indian?-
A. Well, I couldn't tell you about that.
Q. Don't remember who told her that she was
an Indian?-
A. No, sir; I don't know how she ever found
that out.
Q. You never voted in any of the Indian
elections?-
A. No sir.
Q. Your wife never drew any payments?-
A. No sir.
Q. You never reported to any of the Indian
officials that your wife was an Indian?-
A. No sir.
Q. You never sought any sort of recognition
as an intermarried citizen from the Indian
officials?-
A. No sir.
Q. Your wife never sought any recognition as
an Indian from the tribal officials?-
A. Not that I know of.
Q. You lived in this country a long number
of years?-
A. Yes; a good many years.
Q. Who did you rent land from when you first
came up here?-
A. I never rented any; worked for day's
labor.
Q. Have you ever rented any lands since you
came here?-
A. I rented from a man by the name of-let's
see-I will tell you directly-Carrolton, and
rented some from Joe
Q. Well, the land you rented was In both
Choctaw and Chickasaw Nations?-
A. Yes sir; first in the Chiekasaw.
Q. You lived about from different places?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. As a tenant?-
A. Yes, sir.
By Mr. Clapp:
Q. Who was this Mr. Humphrey that you wrote
to? Was he a relative of yours?-
A. Cousin to my wife.
Q. Did he make application in 1896?-
A. I suppose so.
Witness excused.
George J. Humphrey, being duly sworn and
examined as a witness, testified as follows:
By Mr. Lee:
Q. Give your full name.-
A. George J. Humphrey.
Q. Where do you reside?-
A. At Ardmore.
Q. Are you an applicant in what is known as
the Bottoms-Hill case?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What relation are you to Louis Hill?-
A. Nephew.
Q. What relation are you to Z. T. Bottoms?-
A. Second cousin.
Q. What relation are you to Mrs. Powell, who
was on the stand a moment ago?-
A. Own cousin.
Q. First cousin?-
A. Yes. sir.
Q. Do you know anything about attempts of
Mrs. Powell to make application in 1896?-
A. Yes. sir.
Q. Just state that please.-
A. Well. I wrote them a letter that uncle
Louis Hill and myself-I made application
myself, you understand, before the Dawes
Commission, and I found out that my name
wasn't in with uncle Louis's family before
the council and you understand. I made
application before the commission and
referred them to his evidence: and I wrote
Billie Powell a letter to come down there
and we would put in the Rengan children, and
he wrote me a letter stating that Farmer's
wife was crazy and he couldn't leave, and
wanted me to attend to it and to ask uncle
Louis Hill to attend to it and sent their
names down there, and so I went to Colbert
Station and seen uncle Louis Hill, and he
came to Coalgate with me. I was living at
Coalgate then, and he agreed to do it and
put in their names.
Q. Did you understand that he had done so?-
A. I thought all their mimes were put in the
application until later on.
By Mr. Clapp:
Q. How much later?-
A. I don't know. After it was rejected by
the commission we went to take an appeal:
that's when I found out different. After it
was rejected by the commission we appealed
to the United States District Court at
McAlester and, of course, in the appeal,
why, of course, the names that was there was
the only names we could appeal for and I
wrote Powell a letter and told him he had
better get busy and do it-their
relatives-that it was left out.
Witness excused.
Susanna Jane Farmer, recalled testified
as follows:
By Mr. Lee:
Q. Mrs. Farmer, have you any brothers or
sisters living near where you are now?-
A. Yes sir: two brothers. .
Q. What are their names, please?-
A. Jim and John Reagan.
Q. Full brothers to you?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Are they in any citizenship case that you
know of?-
A. Yes, sir; they are just like we are.
Q. Never made any application?-
A. No, sir.
Q. Did they ask you to represent them here?-
A. No, sir; I haven't seen- one of them I
haven't seen for four years, and the other
one is living there, and I thought he was
coming on.
Q. Do you know anything about why they
didn't make application in 1896?-
A. No sir.
Mr. Lee. We would like to ask to have the
record in the Z. T. Bottoms and Louis Hill
cases, as they now exist in the flies of the
commission, referred to in this case, and
the evidence of record in those cases
considered in the matter of the application
of the claimants who have been presented
here.
Mr. Clapp. I think the attorneys for the
Chickasaw Nation will have to object to
that, for the reason no opportunity is
proffered for cross-examination.
Mr. Hill. I join in the objection.
Mr. Pollock. The objections will be noted.
Witness excused.
November 11, 1910.
William Benjamin Hill, recalled, testified
as follows:
By Mr. Lee:
Q. Mr. Hill, when yon were here yesterday I
neglected to ask If yon had any children;
have you any?-
A. Yes sir.
Q. State their names, please.-
A. Oldest one is a girl, she's
Q. What is her name?-
A. Ella May; her name is Hargroves, she's
married.
Q. Has she any children?-
A. Yes. sir.
Q. What are their names?-
A. She's got four now, but I don't know
their ages.
Q. Give us their names.-
A. The oldest one is a girl named Florence,
and the next oldest one Is-I don't know the
rest of their names.
Q. Do you know how old the oldest one is?-
A. She's now about 10 years old, I think.
Q. Can you recall the name of the second
one?-
A. It's a funny name and I have forgot it; I
cant' call her name; haven't been with them
much since I got out.
Q. What is your next child's name?-
A. She's a girl, Mattie Corrinnie.
Q. Is she married?-
A. Yes. sir.
Q. How long has she been married?-
A. Well. now. I couldn't tell you the year
she was married in; I was down there in the
pen; but she has two children.
Q. What are their names?-
A. Oldest, Onie, and I don't know the baby's
name.
Q. How old is Onie?-
A. About 8 years old-something like 8 years.
Q. Now what is the married name?-
A. What is her husband's name?
Q. What?-
A. Judson Foreline.
Q. Do you know how to spell Foreline?-
A. F-o-r-e-l-i-n-e.
Q. What is your next child?-
A. A son: his name is William Franklin; he's
25 years old this last July.
Q. Is he married?-
A. No, sir. Now Mattie is 27.
Q. What is your next child?-
A. Laura, the youngest one; she's 23 years
old the 31st day of last October.
Q. Is she married?-
A. No. sir.
Q. What Is your next one?-
A. I haven't any more.
Q. What Is your wife's name?-
A. Her last name?
Q. Your wife's name?-
A. Her name E. C.-Elizabeth Caroline.
Q. Were you lawfuly married to her?-
A. Yes, sir.
By Mr. Clapp:
Q. Are these children and grandchildren that
you have named all living?- A. Well, now, I
dout' know, but they was living three months
ago there in Throckmorton County. Tex.
Q. How long have they lived there?-
A. I lived there about six months, and then
I came in to Durant and stayed down there.
Q. Were these children living with you in
Cook County when you were sentenced?-
A. Yes sir. Two died after I went to the
pen: the oldest son and next to the oldest
daughter died while I was in the pen and
that left four living.
Q. Any of them lived in the Indian
Territory?-
A. Yes, Sir; in 1878 and 1879.
Q. That's when you were here?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. They haven't been here since?-
A. No sir; I went over there to Cook County
and got into trouble just before I left
there, and went off to the pen from that on
so I didn't get back In the Territory, but I
paid no permit when the $25 permit was out.
I was recognized at Colbert there as a
Choctaw, paid, no permit at all and when I
was on the dodge
By Mr. Pollock :
Q. Where was this youngest child born?-
A. The youngest child was born in the
Territory-the last one.
Q. What year was she born in?-
A. She was born in 1887.
Q. 1887?
A. Yes sir; she was born in October after I
was arrested in August. My wife came back to
the Territory after I was arrested.
Q. These grandchildren have never lived In
the Territory at all?-
A. No, sir; I don't think that they have.
The oldest I think was born in the
Territory-Florence. I wouldn't be certain;
you see I was down there. They move around
so much and so often I don't know where they
go.
Q. Has this oldest child of yours ever lived
in the Territory-In the Choctaw Nation-after
she became of age?-
A. Yes. sir.
Q. When was that?-
A. She used to live down here at Ravia, in
the Chickasaw Nation.
Q. When was that?-
A. It was about 14 or 15 years ago; she was
raised almost right down here at Ravia, and
I then she was married. I think, here at
Norton.
Q. You stated in your statement that they
had never lived in the Territory after yon
had gone to the pen, or after you left here:
that they went out with you?-
A. After I was arrested they came back to
the Territory and stayed in the Territory a
good while, and the oldest daughter married,
and next to the oldest daughter married here
in the Chickasaw Nation: that's the way of
it; and then they moved out there, but I
don't know what year.
Witness excused.
Durant. Okla.. November 14 1910.
Appearances: Albert J. Lee, attorney for
claimant: G. D. Rodgers attorney for
Chickasaw Nation.
James M. Reagan, being duly sworn and
examined as a witness, testified as follows:
By Mr. Lee:
Q. State your name.-
A. James M. Reagan.
Q. Where do you live Mr. Reagan?-
A. Well. I am now camped at Melissa in
Collin County, Tex.
Q. Where is your home?-
A. Well, you might say I haven't none. I
have made the Territory my home for the last
20 or 23 years, but I haven't been in here
all the time: I have been in and out.
Q. Where were you living In 1896?-
A. I believe I was al Elmore: I am not sure.
Q. Are you related to the Bottoms and
Hills?-
A. Yes. sir.
Q. At that time did you know they were
making application to the commission for
enrollment?-
A. Yes sir: I think so to the best of my
recollection.
Q. Did you make any application for yourself
ar that time?-
A. No. sir.
Q Did you at any time after that?-
A. Yes; I did; at Atoka here, two or three
years after that.
Q. Two or three years after 1896?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Can you fix the exact year?-
A. No.
Q. Who was with you at the time you made
that application?-
A. Well, I believe Powell was there.
Q. Anyone else?-
A. I don't remember anyone else.
Q. Did you go before the commission
personally?-
A. Yes Sir.
Q. Do you remember what was said to you by
the commission?-
A. No sir: I do not: he didn't say but a few
words to me.
Q. What was the purport of what he said to
you?-
A. He asked me if I claimed Indian blood and
I told him I did and he asked me a few more
questions and then he said to step aside.
Q. Did you ever go before the commission
after that?-
A. No. sir.
Q. Do you know Louis Hill?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What relation was he to you?-
A. My uncle.
Q. Uncle?-
A. Yes. sir.
Q. By blood or marriage?-
A. By blood.
Q. Do you know Z. T. Bottoms?-
A. Yes sir.
Q. What relation was he to you?-
A. Well, he was. I believe, a great-uncle. I
was very small when my people died and I
don't remember much about any of my
relation.
Q. Who was your mother?-
A. Hill-Jane Hill.
Q. Before she married your father?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Was she a sister of Louis Hill?-
A. Yes sir.
Q. Have you any children?-
A. Yea, sir.
Q. What are their names and ages?-
A. Well, the oldest one his name was James
Pascal, born September 4, 1895.
Q. What Is your next child?-
A. Charles B. Reagan.
Q. Charles B.?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. When was he born?-
A. November 2. 1899.
Q. What is your next child?-
A. Elsie O.
Q. When was she born?-
A. May 10, 1902.
Q. Any more?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What Is the next one?-
A. Marvin A.
Q. Is that a boy?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. When was he born?-
A. March 14, 1904.
Q. Any others?-
A. Franklin C.
Q. When was he born?-
A. January 9, 1905.
Q. Are there any others born before March,
1906? That's the last one born before that
time, was it?-
A. Well, here's one April the 10th 1906. My
second child is dead; I haven't got its name
on here.
Q. .When did he die?-
A. She died January 9. 1899.
Q. Now, you say you don't remember anyone
else that was with yon at the time you
applied to the commission with Powell?-
A. I don't remember any.
Q. Have you a brother?-
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What is his name?-
A. John H. Reagan.
Q. Was he there at that time?-
A. Yes; he was there.
Q. Do you know whether he went before the
commission or not?-
A. No, sir; I couldn't tell you. It's all
been so long ago my memory has failed me and
I haven't got a good recollection no way.
Witness excused.
Albert G. McMillan, being duly sworn, states
that he reported the proceedings in the
above-entitled cause and that the foregoing
is a true and correct transcript of his
stenographic notes.
Albert G. McMillan.
Subscribed and sworn to before me this 7th
day of December 1910.
[seal.] Harry Montague. Notary Public.
Notes About the Book:
Source: Five Civilized Tribes In Oklahoma, Reports of the Department of the
Interior and Evidentiary Papers in support of S. 7625, a Bill for the Relief of
Certain Members of the Five Civilized Tribes in Oklahoma, Sixty-second Congress,
Third Session, Published 1913, by the Department of the Interior, United States.
Online Publication: The manuscript was scanned and then ocr'd. Minimal editing
has been done, and readers can and should expect some errors in the textual
output.
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